Pew: Only 60% of Catholics Believe in a Personal God
I spent yesterday and today crunching the numbers from Part II of the Pew Forum US Religious Landscape Survey and the results have been illuminating, especially in light of our work on our new seminar Making Disciples.
There is a lot that could be said but for right now, I'll begin by commenting on the most obvious and surprising results for Catholics.
I'll start with a real stunner.
Only 60% of self-described US adult Catholics can clearly affirm that they believe in a personal God with whom it is possible to have a relationship.
Nearly 30% of Catholics believe in an “impersonal force” rather than a personal God.
(The obvious follow-up question: "what percentage of this 40% who don't believe in a personal God are practicing Catholics?" doesn’t seem to have been asked.)
Sherry's response:
If a large minority of Catholics don’t believe in the possibility of a relationship with a personal God, I suspect that it is largely because they are not seeing this sort of relationship regularly modeled, talked about, and valued by their families, friends, and parishes.
This is one of the consequences of our “don’t ask, don’t tell” Catholic culture meshing with our “don’t’ ask, don’t tell” secular culture, creating a perfect “spiral of silence” not just about intentional discipleship but even about the mere possibility of relationship with a personal God.
No wonder talk of intentional discipleship seems so foreign and excessive to many Catholics across the spectrum.
In light of this it is fascinating to note that, according to the Pew study, 82% of Catholic believe in heaven. But obviously, many can not be thinking of heaven as a fruit of and the enjoyment of a relationship of union with God. Is it more like the Simpson's version of Catholic heaven complete with red wine and a cast of millions making like Riverdance? You know, Irish Catholic heaven as envisioned by Hollywood.
This begins to make sense of what we've noticed doing thousands of personal interviews: that nearly all Catholics believe everyone will go to heaven but many are extremely unclear as to what Jesus has to do with it. As Peter Kreeft has noted numerous times, he asked the students in every class he taught at Boston College (most were cradle Catholics) why they should go to heaven if they died tonight, and nearly every one over the years said "because I'm a good person." Hardly any student mentioned Jesus Christ.
But if your basic assumption is that you can't have a relationship with God, it makes perfect sense to envision enjoying heaven independent of relationship with God. - and equally perfect sense that the criteria for doing so becomes my essential goodness. If you don’t think of God as personal, what does relationship with God have to do with heaven or anything else? So much for the beatific vision.
Related to and flowing from this: only 22% of US Catholics turn to Church teaching to inform their moral decision-making, relying much more heavily (57%) upon “practical experience/common sense” which, of course, largely means relying upon what they see others do and say and value around them, i.e, our popular culture.
I'm sure that this isn't a surprise. But for a Church that rejoices in and identifies so strongly with a rich and sophisticated teaching Tradition, 22% seems really low. It is 30 points below the 52% of evangelicals who consult religious teaching when making their own moral decisions although they do not possess such a body of wisdom.
The result: culture trumps the Tradition for the vast majority of US Catholics.
Not a surprise either, but related. 57% of Catholics never read the Scriptures outside the liturgy – and only 42% attend the liturgy every week. As opposed to the 60% of evangelicals who read Scripture every week).
The overall result: Catholics, as whole, are much less likely to have a solid basis for questioning and judging the norms of our popular culture and going against them when necessary. But the Apostolic Tradition will only becoming really compelling when one has a living relationship with the Source of the Tradition. And a large percentage of Catholics don’t even know that relationship is possible.
Of course, none of these numbers account for the huge number of baptized Catholics who now regard themselves as evangelical and would have answered the survey accordingly.
Here's something I didn't expect:
(The obvious follow-up question: "what percentage of this 40% who don't believe in a personal God are practicing Catholics?" doesn’t seem to have been asked.)
Sherry's response:
If a large minority of Catholics don’t believe in the possibility of a relationship with a personal God, I suspect that it is largely because they are not seeing this sort of relationship regularly modeled, talked about, and valued by their families, friends, and parishes.
This is one of the consequences of our “don’t ask, don’t tell” Catholic culture meshing with our “don’t’ ask, don’t tell” secular culture, creating a perfect “spiral of silence” not just about intentional discipleship but even about the mere possibility of relationship with a personal God.
No wonder talk of intentional discipleship seems so foreign and excessive to many Catholics across the spectrum.
In light of this it is fascinating to note that, according to the Pew study, 82% of Catholic believe in heaven. But obviously, many can not be thinking of heaven as a fruit of and the enjoyment of a relationship of union with God. Is it more like the Simpson's version of Catholic heaven complete with red wine and a cast of millions making like Riverdance? You know, Irish Catholic heaven as envisioned by Hollywood.
This begins to make sense of what we've noticed doing thousands of personal interviews: that nearly all Catholics believe everyone will go to heaven but many are extremely unclear as to what Jesus has to do with it. As Peter Kreeft has noted numerous times, he asked the students in every class he taught at Boston College (most were cradle Catholics) why they should go to heaven if they died tonight, and nearly every one over the years said "because I'm a good person." Hardly any student mentioned Jesus Christ.
But if your basic assumption is that you can't have a relationship with God, it makes perfect sense to envision enjoying heaven independent of relationship with God. - and equally perfect sense that the criteria for doing so becomes my essential goodness. If you don’t think of God as personal, what does relationship with God have to do with heaven or anything else? So much for the beatific vision.
Related to and flowing from this: only 22% of US Catholics turn to Church teaching to inform their moral decision-making, relying much more heavily (57%) upon “practical experience/common sense” which, of course, largely means relying upon what they see others do and say and value around them, i.e, our popular culture.
I'm sure that this isn't a surprise. But for a Church that rejoices in and identifies so strongly with a rich and sophisticated teaching Tradition, 22% seems really low. It is 30 points below the 52% of evangelicals who consult religious teaching when making their own moral decisions although they do not possess such a body of wisdom.
The result: culture trumps the Tradition for the vast majority of US Catholics.
Not a surprise either, but related. 57% of Catholics never read the Scriptures outside the liturgy – and only 42% attend the liturgy every week. As opposed to the 60% of evangelicals who read Scripture every week).
The overall result: Catholics, as whole, are much less likely to have a solid basis for questioning and judging the norms of our popular culture and going against them when necessary. But the Apostolic Tradition will only becoming really compelling when one has a living relationship with the Source of the Tradition. And a large percentage of Catholics don’t even know that relationship is possible.
Of course, none of these numbers account for the huge number of baptized Catholics who now regard themselves as evangelical and would have answered the survey accordingly.
Here's something I didn't expect:
The biggest attendance generation gap for all US religious groups studied is among Catholics. 62% of those 65 and older attend Mass at least once a week while only 34% of Catholics under 30 do so, a 28 point difference. Only 36% of Catholics in their 30’s and 40’s attend Mass each week, a 26 point difference.
The Pew study makes it clear:
The Pew study makes it clear:
This is a situation unique to Catholics and which we cannot project as a whole on the millennial/Gen X generations. (For instance, 54% of under 30 evangelicals and 57% of 30 and 40 something evangelicals attend church every week as opposed to 65% of those 65 and above. 11 and 8 point differences.)
And the final irony which makes perfect sense in light of all the above:
And the final irony which makes perfect sense in light of all the above:
In the US, Catholics are actually less likely to talk about their faith or view of God with someone else than is an atheist. (62% of Catholics say they never share their faith or talk about God with others, while only 61% of atheists say that.)
You have heard it here before.
God has no grandchildren. It's time to ask what men and women's journey with God has actually been like. It's time to really listen. And it's time to tell the Story.
Because huge numbers of Catholics have never, never heard it.
There are some really striking and hopeful stats regarding atheists, agnostics and those who claim no religious affiliation of any kind. But that is for another post.

7 Comments:
Great thoughts, Sherry - your analysis is really helpful in understanding the numbers.
I saw the survey in the paper yesterday and honestly didn't know what to make of it - the questions seemed really vague and easily interpreted in any number of ways.
For example, there was the question of "Do you believe people from other religions can go to heaven?" And the different "religions" were defined as: Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Hindu, Muslim, atheist, etc...
It's obvious that most informed Catholics and Orthodox would respect the Christian baptism of Protestants, our separated brethren, and allow (along with Dominus Iesus) that the elements of salvation can be found outside the walls of the Catholic Church (though there's no guarantee of salvation, of course). But it seems that the Pew survey would put notions like these in a blender with the folks who are inches away from universalism in their soteriology. It doesn't make sense.
Looking forward to more of your thoughts on this.
Kathleen:
Yes, many of the questions are hopeless from a well catechized Catholic point of view and the question you singled out is near the top of the hopeless list.
I would not have been able to answer it in any sort of way that reflected the Church's actual teaching.
But, nevertheless, there are some really intriguing findings in some areas.
Sherry,
Did you happen to see the video by the director of the PEW organization, at http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=279 , in which he tells about the depth of the survey and also says that the "other shoe" will drop in the spring of '09.
I read the summary of the report. Like others, I thought the question on being saved was a real head-scratcher. I would have responded, "Let me think about that question and get back to you with a COMPLETE answer."
I was saddened, but no longer surprised,at the number of Catholics who doubted that they could have a "personal relationship with Jesus". (Without being either a living saint or being someone who was about to go evangelical.)
I wanted to ask the researchers where "Pentecostals" saw themselves according to the survey.
I've met many Pentecostals (and several non-denoms) who don't identify with the "Protestant" label yet they certainly do claim to be Christian.
My overall conclusion: "We've still got a lot of work to do!"
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Bye the bye: surely you've run across the following Web site?
The title of the site caught my eye.
http://www.theintentionaldisciple.com/
The author, Jeff Curry, has some interesting ideas on discipleship, I think.
He also has another site at http://www.theparablediscovery.com/
Peace,
.ed.
That's an interesting point you make (or, I guess, quote Peter Kreeft about making) about "Why should I go to heaven if I died tonight?"
I have a degree in theology and I'm not sure how I would answer that question. I can hardly imagine that people who are Catholic but not too informed about Catholic teaching would answer it.
I find myself stuck in a sort of circle. Sure, Jesus died to save me. But didn't he die for everyone? Why doesn't everyone go to heaven then? Is it because I go to confession and receive the Eucharist and try to live a faithful life? That sounds an awful lot like "Because I'm a good person."
If someone asked me that question, I'm not sure what I would say. I don't mean to hijack the combox but the thought is (sort of, tangentially) related. What would you say if you were asked that question?
The "because I'm a good person" answer isn't necessarily bad. Catholics move quickly beyond just the starting point of faith (that others seem to get stuck on) and move more into living out their faith in love.
Baptism corresponds to faith, one's entire life journey as a Christian corresponds to love (the greatest of these!), and the promised inheritance corresponds to hope. Voila, the three theological virtues.
"John and Mary Catholic" don't worry their pretty little heads over other people's in-depth doctrinal squabbles and theological disputations. They're busy living out their Christian lives in love.
Being doers of the word means they're following Christ's instructions, and progressing in their sanctification, and thereby are "good people."
Christ said to follow the commandments, and he elevated the old law to a law of love in the Sermon on the Mount, and warned us that he'd judge us on our charity on the Last Day (Mt 25). If you follow these instructions, you ARE a good person, not by your own effort but by God-given graces.
The "good person" answer ASSUMES you have faith, because that's as natural to a Catholic as breathing. It's taken for granted that you have faith first!!!
If someone asked me if I believed in a personal god, without any contaxt to indicate what they meant, I'd say no because I don't go around inventing my own personal god. That's idolatry.
There's plenty of that kind of radically subjectivist idolatry going on in the world--those people who follow Christ and Buddha and tarot and Reiki, who like spirituality but not religion. They invent their own personal god.
God exists, objectively, beyond the limits of my finite mind and heart, and is available to all, including but not only me.
The Nicene Creed recited at least weekly through my entire life has formatted my braindisk to reject the radically subjectivist personal god of my own making.
Kentucky Liz:
So when the Holy Father urges us to grow in our personal relationship with God, he is being an idolator or radically subjectivist?
If you have a personal relationship with God, that hardly means that you have "invented" God in your image or that God cannot and does not have relationships with every other human being.
The whole relationship thing is *His* idea not ours and he is the one who has humbled himself beyond imagining in the Incarnation in order to seek *us* out.
The Nicene Creed is formally called a "symbol" of the faith - it is an authoritative summary of our faith - that is, it is *about* God. The creed is there to point to the God we worship.
The creed does not and cannot take God's place. The God we love, who loves us, has redeemed us, saves us and created us for himself and is the one with whom we will spend eternity.
All the Scriptures, the Gospels, the words of our Lord, the great saints and doctors of the faith through out the centuries, our Popes and councils, the liturgy itself are crying out to us about relationship with God being the center of life, the universe, and everything and we respond how?
That's Protestant.
That's subjective.
That's idolatry?
A lot of Catholics today are obviously much more committed to being "NOT PROTESTANT" than we are in being truly Catholic because otherwise how could we blow off two millennia of the Church's constant testimony to relationship with God?
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