Thursday, June 26, 2008

Catholicism: A "Relationship-Free" Faith?

It is always startling for me to listen to serious Catholics respond to the idea of "personal relationship with God" as has happened over at Mark's place today during a discussion of the Pew Forum study:

“I’d also note that having a “personal relationship with Jesus” is such a staple of evangelical rhetoric that many Catholics may be saying “no” as a way of saying that they don’t experience God in the same way that evangelicals say that they experience God. That is, Catholics meet the Lord in the Sacraments, in the liturgy of the community, etc., not just in private unstructured prayers.”

“Some Catholics might hear a reference to “personal God” and think it refers to an Evangelical understanding of Christian faith.   But overall it leaves me scratching my head. What the heck is meant by “personal,” anyway?”

“If I pray to God, isn’t that a sign of something personal? I am not praying to someone or something abstract. But I agree with sd that catholics are not taught culturally to think of that as a “personal relationship.” At least I know that I did not look on it that way. Much of the poll results could be attributed to linguistic tone deafness of a sort.”

To which I responded:



Y’all:



Re: “Personal” and “relationship”. As in relationships we have with others in our lives - family, friends, co-workers, etc. 

What I found mystifying is how seemingly normal adult Catholics, all of whom have some experience of personal relationship or they would never have lived to grow up, suddenly freeze when the idea of relationship with God is proposed. 



We all have some experience of relationship and we routinely talk about our relationships - with our parents, children, siblings, spouses, friends, etc. 

Relationship is a extremely common topic here at CAEI. And I have yet to hear anyone here say: 


 “Just what do you mean by “personal relationship” with your spouse or your child or your friend?  Relationship is something that Protestants talk about. That’s not something Catholics do.”

As though a Protestant is another species or order of being and their relationships are so totally different from our own.

We are all human beings here with the same basic frailties and capacities for grace and response to God and there is only one God. It is absurd to talk as though Protestants and Catholics are from different planets in this matter or seeking to relate to a different God.

I’ve never read a saint who reacted that way when asked about their relationship with God. Most of them couldn’t shut up on the subject.

Marriage -one of the most intimate human relationships possible - is used as the great metaphor for every Christian’s relationship with God in the Scriptures and therefore, is part of the Catholic Tradition. And the foundation of the whole Theology of the Body.

Relationship is the crux of our whole understanding of heaven which is eternal life in the presence of and participating in the life of the Blessed Trinity. Even the Trinity as understood by historic Christianity is profoundly personal and relational. Relationship and self-giving are intrinsic to the very heart and nature of God.

God is profoundly personal and relational.  And so are human beings. When we were baptized, we were baptized into Jesus’ relationship with his Father. We became adopted sons and daughters of God and therefore, Jesus is now our brother as well as our Lord - an extremely intimate relationship.

Relationship - whether mediated and nourished by the liturgy and sacraments or not - is the heart of this whole drama we are all engaged in. 

And I add here:

Pope Benedict began Deus Caritas Est with these words:

 “God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him” (1 Jn 4:16). These words from the First Letter of John express with remarkable clarity the heart of the Christian faith: the Christian image of God and the resulting image of mankind and its destiny. In the same verse, Saint John also offers a kind of summary of the Christian life: “We have come to know and to believe in the love God has for us”. We have come to believe in God’s love: in these words the Christian can express the fundamental decision of his life.

and further:

A personal relationship with God and an abandonment to his will can prevent man from being demeaned and save him from falling prey to the teaching of fanaticism and terrorism...Even in their bewilderment and failure to understand the world around them, Christians continue to believe in the “goodness and loving kindness of God” (Tit 3:4). Immersed like everyone else in the dramatic complexity of historical events, they remain unshakably certain that God is our Father and loves us, even when his silence remains incomprehensible.”

As the Pope said to the young people of America:

 What matters most is that you develop your personal relationship with God. That relationship is expressed in prayer. God by his very nature speaks, hears, and replies. Indeed, Saint Paul reminds us: we can and should “pray constantly” (1 Thess 5:17). Far from turning in on ourselves or withdrawing from the ups and downs of life, by praying we turn towards God and through him to each other, including the marginalized and those following ways other than God’s path (cf. Spe Salvi, 33)….”

Catholicism is not a “relationship-free” faith.  

If the idea of a “personal relationship with God” gives us pause or strikes us as foreign, we need to re-evaluate our own understanding of the faith, and more to the point, our own lived relationship with God.

8 Comments:

At October 31, 2009 8:46:00 AM MDT , Blogger Sherry W said...

Thanks for sharing Linda's story, Bobby. Has she ever walked through the fire and when she says "I trust God" , you can't dismiss it as parrot talk! I read the bit of it available to non-subscribers and it is remarkable! And I so glad that the Called & Gifted played a role in helping her recognize her call to write because she has a story that others need to hear!

I don't know if her interview triggered this but last week I was called out of the blue by the ass. editor of Catholic Digest to be interviewed about the Called & Gifted process for a story on discernment. She also talked to Barbara Elliott and wanted a copy of the inventory. That article is supposed to come out in September.

 
At October 31, 2009 8:46:00 AM MDT , Blogger Utilitymom4 said...

There's so much here I'd like to say, but I have so little time but here's a shot at it.
1. I think that the results of this survey to this particular question is a wake-up call to the Catholic Church in America. How can it be that so many people responded in this way, who consider themselves Catholic? Wow. It's amazing, and sad, and yet not terribly surprising to me, unfortunately.
2. How can a Catholic NOT think they have a personal relationship with Christ when one considers the incredible intimacy in receiving the Holy Eucharist inside oneself? What could possibly be more intimate than that? As Sherry says, this is the reason why the marriage relationship is "the great metaphor" for us. I think the answer is that very few Catholics CONSCIOUSLY consider or realize or believe that what they receive at communion is not a what but a WHO - it is Jesus Christ himself, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity.
3. For hundreds of years, our worship was done in Latin; only the last 40 or so has the mass been in the vernacular. We Catholics do not have a lot of experience with speaking about Jesus in day-to-day terminology. I'm not saying it's right or good, but the truth is many of us pray "by rote" rather than extemporaneously because we don't have that confidence to approach God as we would our best friend or spouse.
4. The focus of the liturgy of the mass the past 40 years or so has also been more "horizontal" than "vertical". God is in each other, the community, the Church, and we celebrate that, but we also have lost some of the focus that really should be on Jesus Christ and his saving action and on the glory of God. I'm a good Christian if I have good relationships with those in our community, and love others. Love of Christ is not quite the focus - it's certainly implied but not definitively and openly discussed as the central point of our faith.
Linda O.

 
At October 31, 2009 8:46:00 AM MDT , Blogger frival said...

I'm going to come at this from a different perspective. I think a lot of this (although certainly by no means all) has to do with the contrasting connotation and denotation of the term "personal relationship". It immediately shows the inherent limitation of any poll because there is no opportunity to say "what do you mean by the term ..."

Many people are probably struck by the term "personal relationship" as something of the form of "my buddy Jesus" and respond "no, that's not descriptive of my relationship with Him" even though the more theological definition of "personal relationship" fits perfectly. If someone asked me "do you have a personal relationship with God" the only response I would be willing to give is "what do you mean by personal relationship" because it is an overloaded term.

Further than that as well, some Catholics may be put off if they don't understand what we think that term means because it could be misunderstood as suggesting Jesus is "just" another person when they in fact recognize Him as much more. Jim Cole's comment is very accurate in this vein. Sometimes what we think shows a lack of catechesis in some actually reveals a deeper level of understanding than the question was capable of handling. In the software field we call that an overflow and either crash or handle it as an exception; in a poll it just shows up as the wrong answer.

 
At October 31, 2009 8:46:00 AM MDT , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought I would share an article one of our parishoners wrote. Linda is a real witness to Christ. Not to long ago she went through the Called & Gifted workshop in our parish and is discerning the charism of writing. She shared her story at a past parish mission and Catholic Digest has published it. What strikes at the heart of her message is that one can go through catechesis or catholic school ones whole life and never develop a personal realtionship with Christ.

http://www.catholicdigest.com/article/the-day-i-met-grace

Bobby

 
At October 31, 2009 8:46:00 AM MDT , Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's just my own observation, but the use of "personal relationship with God" by Evangelical Protestants carries overtones of, "I don't need priests or sacraments or structures that stand between me and God." The Church as a community in which we are saved; the need for sacraments; the need for priests to offer the community's sacrifice to God in the Mass--all these are impliedly rejected by the phrase. At least, if other Catholics are like me, that's why the phrase is emotionally perceived as "not Catholic."

Jim Cole

 
At October 31, 2009 8:46:00 AM MDT , Blogger Sherry W said...

Since I'm having problems with Blogger this afternoon and couldn't control my fonts, I'm transferring Gashwin's comment to this version of the post:


At June 26, 2008 4:20:00 PM MDT , Gashwin said...

Hmm: This is from the Holy Father's prayer intentions for June: Friendship with Christ. That all Christians may cultivate a deep and personal friendship with Christ so to communicate the strength of his love to every person they meet.

I guess he's Protestant now?

 
At October 31, 2009 8:46:00 AM MDT , Blogger Pete Ascosi said...

"In Christ he has given himself entirely to us and has called us to a personal and profound relationship with him.”
Pope Benedict XVI, All Saints Day Homily, 2006

We often approach the tower of Babel when it comes to talking about God between denominations.

Why? Because of culture, history, doctrinal differences. Yes, yes, yes... But... lets let this shockingly non-PC truth reach us - there is a dark kingdom that is absolutely opposed to unity, love, justice, truth, & mercy.

Satan is a brilliantly evil and insipid personality that is very happy with all the squabbles within Christianity, especially semantics. I think for many "the war" is between Catholics and Protestants. For others its for the salvation of souls.

It should be no surprise that we balk at "personal relationship" with God. "its Protestant" many say.

That thinking, or way of speaking, is pure foolishness in the eyes of God.

The entire Bible and history of the People of God is a megaphone that yells, "God loves us with an everlasting God and desires us to turn to him and trust in him and eternally live in him!" He is intensely personal and communal at the same time.

He is trying everyday to get our attention through sacraments, nature, the lowly, His Word, laughter, emotion, sex... everything speaks of Him and His love for us!

Help us be more fully converted to your love, Lord Jesus! Deliver your Church from the theological tower of Babel! Make us one as you and the Father are one! Amen.

 
At October 31, 2009 8:46:00 AM MDT , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please folks, let's start using a Catholic definition of "a vital and PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with the living and true God."

This relationship is PRAYER.

SEE: Catechism of the Catholic Church #2558. Online at http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2558.htm

And, as a very blunt reminder to myself, Paul, on behalf of the One with whom he had a very personal relationship, says:

Welcome with open arms fellow believers who don't see things the way you do. And don't jump all over them every time they do or say something you don't agree with--even when it seems that they are strong on opinions but weak in the faith department. Remember, they have their own history to deal with. Treat them gently. Rom 14:1 (MSG transl.)

.ed.

 

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