Monday, April 28, 2008

Cultural Catholicism, RIP

From a excellent post this morning by Amy Welborn that is music to our ears (thanks to Keith Strohm for bringing to my attention):

Amy writes:

Here is the Catholic problem that I see when Benedict’s words bounce around my head. Let me see if I can say this concisely:

For hundreds and hundreds of years, the Catholic “way” of being in this world has been rooted in some assumptions. For my purposes, I’ll highlight this one: The Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ. This is obvious to anyone with eyes to see and the relationship between one’s individual faith, Christ, and the Church is clear and intuitive.


Sherry's note: Of course, it isn't obvious anymore - not to the majority of those born and raised within the Church apparently (or the majority of our baptized members would not be awol) and certainly not for those outside and soaked in our post-modern culture. (who are nevertheless culturally disposed to seek a personal faith for themselves if we can be bothered to propose the Gospel to them explicitly and meaningfully).

"You take that, and mix it with 1500 years of being able to maintain this assumption without any competing viewpoints, and you have a formula for being ill-equipped to make those connections in the contemporary world."

Absolutely. The nice thing is that Amy can say this sort of thing without be accused of being a covert Protestant. :-}

And as I see it, this is the core of what Benedict is trying to help us all do. Focus on Christ, take an honest look at the world around us, the questions people ask and the reasons people don’t believe and then be in this world, as the Body of Christ, in a way that makes it clear that Jesus Christ came to answers those questions, quench that thirst, give eternal life, and that the Church is where he is found.

Yes! Yes! Yes! Which is exactly what our seminar Making Disciples is all about.

"In other words…the “new evangelization” called for by these last two Popes is not about reaffirming Catholic identity in some abstract or institutional sense. It’s about confidently believing that Jesus Christ is the answer and then just as confidently helping people see and experience Christ in the Church: in its spiritual tradition, sacramental life, teachings, artistic heritage and sacrificial service to the poor, sick and dying.

In other words: Cultural Catholicism, RIP.

What will rise in its stead?"



Exactly. If we are to avoid "reaffirming Catholic identity in some abstract or institutional sense" everything we do, all our institutions and traditions and the Church herself must be seen and proposed in light of their beginning and ending in Christ.

16 Comments:

At May 1, 2008 8:06:00 AM MDT , Blogger Mark said...

Hey Sherry!

Put in a "close italics" html code in this entry. Otherwise everything below it is italicized.

 
At October 31, 2009 8:45:00 AM MDT , Blogger Sherry W said...

Dave:

1) I was quoting Amy's "sweeping generalizations". I really think you should join the discussion on her blog.

2) Are you seriously proposing that 75% of US Catholics aren't in Mass on Sunday because they *believe* what the Church proposes about Christ and about herself?

Er, "Deep belief = shallow practice?" Our 25% in Mass on Sunday is much better than large parts of Europe -as I have noted on this blog numerous times, but no one is saying it is "good".

2) I and my hundreds of collaborators have actually talked to more real live Catholics about their lived spiritual lives than 99% of lay Catholics - and more than some priests. At least that's what priests tell me. It is one of those amazing things that has come with facilitating the Called & Gifted process for tens of thousands of people.

Of course, 5,000 conversations with lay and ordained Catholics in 83 dioceses isn't the whole Church - but it is something. And since it is something that hardly anyone else has done - it has a certain value as a data set.

But the my real point in my post was attendance. A Catholic who really believes is not someone who skips Mass without a good reason. No one believes that 52 million deeply believing American Catholics are forced by circumstance to skip Mass on any given Sunday.

 
At October 31, 2009 8:45:00 AM MDT , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sherry,

You sure make a lot of sweeping generalizations. Even the Pope said he found the Church on a firm foundation in the US. How do you know that the majority of Catholics don't believe this? I think you do your fellow Catholics a disservice here since you obviously haven't talked to most of them.

Dave

 
At October 31, 2009 8:45:00 AM MDT , Blogger Sherry W said...

.ed:

Thanks for letting me know about the ICM you tube sampler. I hadn't thought to look.

I am very sorry about your friend. I have some sense of how heart-breaking that must be. Even those who are used by God in dramatic fashion have this same experience of seeing people not be healed and not understanding why God does not seem to be answering their prayers. It is a mystery we will never come to the end of in this life.

Re: the "perceptive" thing. Comes of having listened to thousands of people's stories. You learn there is almost always a story behind the frustration and that you can't really be helpful until you grasp the real issues.

You sounded very like a woman who commuted 360 miles for 10 weeks to a C & G discernment process in Seattle. When someone drives 360 miles to sit down and tell you in repressed frustration " i have no charisms" - you know there's a lot at stake in that simple sentence!

And there was - she had been dramatically healed herself, wanted to be an instrument of healing for others but after going through training and 3 years of praying for people, no one was getting well.
And she was in a life and death wrestling match with God on this one. Turned out she had a whopping charism of intercessory prayer . Amazing things happened all the time when she prayed - but she didn't care. It wasn't the charism she wanted.

Your e-mail had the familiar "Someone/people aren't being healed and I don't know why and I'm frustrated" sound about it. That's all.

 
At October 31, 2009 8:45:00 AM MDT , Blogger Sherry W said...

Pete and anyone:

I blogged on that retreat centre last year here:

http://blog.siena.org/2007/02/largest-catholic-retreat-center-in.html

 
At October 31, 2009 8:45:00 AM MDT , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous, I think this excerpt from a letter by American fiction writer Flannery O'Connor goes a long way toward identifying the problem - which is after all really a Faith held by folk who can't be bothered nourishing it - it's moribund.

"I know what you mean about being repulsed by the Church when you have only the Jansenist-Mechanical Catholic to judge it by. I think that the reason such Catholics are so repulsive is that they don’t really have faith but a kind of false certainty. They operate by the slide rule and the Church for them is not the body of Christ but the poor man’s insurance system. It’s never hard for them to believe because actually they never think about it. Faith has to take in all the other possibilities it can."

From Flannery O'Connor to Cecil Dawkins. 16 July 1957.

I know I really should post this on Amy's blog thread but I've run out of time - gotta be at that nourishment in 30 minutes, a.k.a. morning Mass.

Cheers
Stephen Sparrow

 
At October 31, 2009 8:45:00 AM MDT , Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's something that puzzles me about the "new evangelization", intentional/deliberate discipleship, etc.

When Jesus was training disciples, he taught them not only WHAT to say but what TO DO to demonstrate that the Kingdom of God is HERE and NOW, namely heal the sick, raise the dead and cast out demons.

The disciples/apostles must have learned their lesson well. They were able to "pass on" the gift of doing signs and wonders as well as the message.

A good case in point is the instance of Philip the deacon in this past Sunday's first reading. Philip was trained by the apostles and he went to Samaria working miracles as well as teaching and preaching. The signs and wonders were part and parcel of his version of the kerygma. They were not just nice "add-ons."

My question is twofold: 1) when did the church drop this practice of doing and teaching about signs and wonders?

2) Do you teach people HOW to heal the sick and raise the dead, literally, in your discipleship workshop as a way to show God's love? If so, sign me up, NOW.

If not, I'll look elsewhere. I'm already using the spiritual and corporal works of mercy. But then so are a lot of other folks and they aren't all Christians let alone Catholics.

Thanks,
.ed.

 
At October 31, 2009 8:45:00 AM MDT , Blogger Sherry W said...

Dear Thinking Catholic:

You've got me pegged. Dying to consign all of Europe and her entire Christian heritage to the flames, I am. Just how do you manage to read my mind and articulate my innermost thoughts in such a winsome manner?

A person with your gifts is wasted on a little blog like this. I'm sure that the Holy Father is dying to have a tete a tete with you.

And I understand completely why you remain anonymous. A person of your insight can't be too careful. Imagine if it become known that you were hanging around *non-thinking* Catholics?

Fly! Fly! You can't knock our dust off your sandals fast enough.

 
At October 31, 2009 8:45:00 AM MDT , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sherry,

I knew of the MacNutt site. I had forgotten about the Seattle Institute until I saw the twin-dove logo on the Web. One of the trainers has a YouTube sampler at.. URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBBPIwt5s9o

Why angry? Hmmmm Didn't know that was coming through. (Remind me never to play online poker with you! You're too perceptive[G]!) One possible explanation might be that the anger is part of a grief response. I'm watching a friend die and feeling helpless and frustrated. (That sounds about right, but it's not the sole reason for feeling frustrated.) Frustration is good: it's often a sign that learning is about to happen.

Keep on praying: we're all in this together.

Peace,

 
At October 31, 2009 8:45:00 AM MDT , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sherry,

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

I've studied McDonnell's and Montague's book as well as a bookshelf (and about 2 GB of internet) documents on and about charisms and charismatics.

Enough reading already. I'm looking for something more than studying ABOUT charisms and charismatics.

I gather that the answer to my second question is simply, "No, we don't try to teach those with a potential gift of healing how to use this gift in our ID workshop." I'd respond, "That's OK."

I thought you might know of a Catholic resource that does what I'm looking for. I'll keep on looking.

Thanks again and peace,

 
At October 31, 2009 8:45:00 AM MDT , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous, throughout history there have always been good folk doing good deeds and you're right, good deeds have never been a prerogative confined to Christianity.

I'm sure Shery will chime in to answer your second question but to throw some light on it, I shall always remember what Mother Teresa said when she talked here many years ago. "When it comes to charity, start in your own home, then your own street" and so on. In other words let your charity be like widening ripples on still water - affecting all around you.

As to healing and raising the dead - well today we have around us plenty of the spiritually dead and the programme to raise them to life is that same charity, and of course everyone has different gifts or charisms to use in the Lord's work (read St Paul) and the trick is to be still and listen to what the Holy Spirit is telling you.

You may be fair bristling and busting to get going with doing the Lord's work but here's some more advice from Flannery O'Connor.

"I have the feeling that you irritate your soul with a lot of things that it isn�t time to irritate it with."

In other words Anon, slow down and listen.

Cheers
Stephen Sparrow

 
At October 31, 2009 8:45:00 AM MDT , Blogger Just Another Beggar said...

Sherry:

I'm hoping that Cultural Catholicism will be RIP soon, but I will not hold my breath. We have a battle on our hands from philosophical Liberals who are passionate about their agenda: trying to redefine the term "orthodox" in terms of a continuum of conservative/progressive.

To these people, the "orthodox" are those on the far right, and those "level headed" who "in the Spirit of Vatican II" are trying to bring the recent council's reforms are the Progressives... (heavenly choir singing enter here). Just recently, I heard a priest say to a Faith Formation Committee that he's looking for a Mission group that is not TOO ORTHODOX. As a wordsmith, I find that an awkward and confusing use of language. In the words of a title of Thomas Pieper's book, when there's an "abuse of language," there's an "abuse of power."

Whenever anyone uses the term "Orthodox" as a perjorative, you can bet they're bought into the Liberal notion of a continuum, a "Big Tent" Catholicism. Orthodox is bad, progressive is good.

We need to take back the language and not let Liberalism redefine our language. We need to speak slowly, clearly, and using small words say, "'Orthodox' is Jesus." Let them choke on that.

(yeah, I'm frustrated. I was on that Faith Formation Committee)

Sam

 
At October 31, 2009 8:45:00 AM MDT , Blogger Sherry W said...

ed:

But you didn't ask for a Catholic resource for that.

There is a very good one - the Institute for Christian Ministries in Seattle, founded by Fr. Leo Thomas, OP, right at Blessed Sacrament in Seattle where we started.

They have an excellent two year training program in healing ministry that is portable, very balanced, and thorough. It isn't just for people who have a charism of healing though - but for anyone who feels called to be used in that way. Here's their website:

http://www.healingministry.org/fhm/index.html

Also Francis McNutt's Healing Ministry out of Clearwater, Florida. He is Catholic but his ministry is ecumenical.

But If you have done all that reading then you probably know about these resources. My question: Why are you so angry about this?

 
At October 31, 2009 8:45:00 AM MDT , Blogger Pete Ascosi said...

Hey guys,

Great discussion. In regards to interest in ways God is working signs and wonders, I got an email about a Pentecost-charismatic event in NJ happening soon. Apparently the Lord is working in great ways through some Vincentian priests in India - and they are coming to NJ in May - see http://www.drcm.org for info on all the good things happening in India (Divine Retreat Center) ... or go to www.divinepotta.com for the NJ event.

His Eminence, Cardinal Varkey Vithayathil, President of the Kerala Bishops’ Council and Major Archbishop of Ernakulam-Angamalay Archdiocese in India, in which Divine Retreat Centre is located, stated, “I have great appreciation for the ministry of Divine Retreat Centre because of the immense good done to the Church and to the society at large. The last decade has seen a vibrant spiritual awakening in the people of the Archdiocese and in Kerala as a whole – in fact, in the Church of India at large. This is to a great extent, due to the Word Ministry of the Divine Retreat Centre.”

 
At October 31, 2009 8:45:00 AM MDT , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just before you consign Europe to the flames, you might be interested to know that the Holy Father's call for the return of Europe to its Catholic roots is beginning to bear fruit.

Also, who talks about the "institutional" Church anymore? Not thinking Catholics.

 
At October 31, 2009 8:45:00 AM MDT , Blogger Sherry W said...

.ed:

Our introductory Called & Gifted workshop has a limited focus: training people how to *recognize* the charisms they have been given by the Holy Spirit on the behalf of others.

Charisms are not the same as the spiritual and corporal works of mercy to which all who are disciples are called, regardless of giftedness.

The Scriptures and the Church have taught that in addition to a call to the works of mercy, all the baptized receive charisms - graces through which they are supernaturally empowered by God for the sake of others.

As St. Paul is clear, we are not all given the same gifts and so the Church urges us to discern the charisms we have been given for the sake of others. We are all intended to be used by God in real, life-changing ways but we won't all be used as instruments of miraculous healings.

Not even all the great saints were used in that way. (Thomas Aquinas and Francis de Sales come to mind immediately).

Of course a number of saints have been used to raise the dead (St. Catherine of Siena, St. Dominic, St. Francis Xavier off the top of my head but not a majority) And I have met a lay person who was used in that way in the course of my work. But it is very rare - the experiencing of the resurrection power of God's grace at its fullest.

All charisms are supernatural and do things only God can do. In that sense, *all* charisms have a healing component because they all make God's love present and where God's love is present, healing occurs. We talk about this at every Called & Gifted workshop and have certainly seen it in real life.

In every workshop, we do deal with the charism of healing, for instance and have helped people discern and exercise this charism in very powerful ways - including being instruments of God's healing in extremely remarkable and even miraculous ways.

If someone seems to have the charism of healing, we try to connect them with some really solid training that we know of in the area. But in my experience, if you have the charism, you benefit from training but you don't absolutely need it. God uses you anyway.

But I've also run into people who wanted that particular gift very, very badly and didn't care that God was doing amazing things through them in other areas. We can ask for the gifts. God is free to give us the charisms we need for the mission he has given to us.

There are many kinds of signs and wonders, you know - healing, expelling demons, certainly but also the kind that someone like Mother Teresa did - healing people's hearts and dignity while caring for their needs in an extraordinary way that declared to all the world: God is here!

In that sense, all the charisms: teaching or music of intercessory prayer or leadership or giving are channels of signs and wonders. They are all channels of God's love, truth, beauty, wisdom, healing, provision for others - and when someone encounters the fruit of a charism, they are encounter Christ - and the impact is real - and sometime dramatic.

As to the history of charisms in the Church up to and including the debates at the Second Vatican Council, I cover this regularly in teacher training and in Making Disciples seminars but I don't have time to encapsulate it here.

If you'd like to read a very good scholarly work on the subject, I would suggest Christian Initiation and Baptism in the Holy Spirit: Evidence From the First Eight Centuries.

We sell it through our online bookstore: http://shop.siena.org/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=18

 

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